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		<title>Comment on Address at Matthew Telford&#8217;s Funeral by Eleanor Parten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eleanor Parten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting your eulogy for Matthew. Matthew is my cousin and my family and I live in the US and were not able to attend the funeral. I found your blog Thursday and was comforted by your words. I have shared this with my parents and sister and they also found your words very comforting. We have never read anything quite like it before. We have shared it with our Priest and other members of our church family. 
Even though we live miles apart we are very close with our family in England. It helps us to know that the family is in such good care. 
Thank you again for you wonderful words,
Eleanor Parten</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting your eulogy for Matthew. Matthew is my cousin and my family and I live in the US and were not able to attend the funeral. I found your blog Thursday and was comforted by your words. I have shared this with my parents and sister and they also found your words very comforting. We have never read anything quite like it before. We have shared it with our Priest and other members of our church family.<br />
Even though we live miles apart we are very close with our family in England. It helps us to know that the family is in such good care.<br />
Thank you again for you wonderful words,<br />
Eleanor Parten</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beware the simplicty of extremists by Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this article intellectually stimulating and at the sametime flawed. It contains reference that could apply to anyone at anytime that society holds to be on the fringes. Examples have been put forward by Chris in his comments.

However, what has not been discussed is whether it is extreme to airlift a huge contingent of the Uk landforces halfway across the world based on a erroneous supposition that if we do not invade Afghanistan we will be the victims of terrorist attacks.

I would hate to be labelled an armchair strategist, so my background of serving and fighting with the commandoes for nine years I hope will carry some sway.

You see I have problems with UK forces undertaking &#039;fundamental jobs&#039; when in fact the whole basis for anyone being there is based not on hard bound intelligence, but lies and subterfuge in order to have the support of an already jittery nation who think that every Muslim or sections of them are extremists ready to kill and plunder the UK. I had the misfortune or fortune of being in Kosovo and witnessing the degree of savegery that the Serbs invested in, so as to divert the ethnic Kosovians away from seeking independence.

The legendary adage &#039;one man&#039;s freedom fighter is another man&#039;s terrorist&#039; runs parallel to one man&#039;s moderate is another man&#039;s extremist. 

Dead men don&#039;t tell tales, but the living make up stories. We need to think carefully and rationally before we support or decry a situation labelling one group as this and another as that. My very own real experiences tell me that it is a time when the liar is believed and the truthful mistrusted. 

Language is a powerful tool which can sway an emotional mass, but it takes a man of courage to stand up and speak the truth in the face of public opposition. He or she then becomes the extremist in a mass of moderates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this article intellectually stimulating and at the sametime flawed. It contains reference that could apply to anyone at anytime that society holds to be on the fringes. Examples have been put forward by Chris in his comments.</p>
<p>However, what has not been discussed is whether it is extreme to airlift a huge contingent of the Uk landforces halfway across the world based on a erroneous supposition that if we do not invade Afghanistan we will be the victims of terrorist attacks.</p>
<p>I would hate to be labelled an armchair strategist, so my background of serving and fighting with the commandoes for nine years I hope will carry some sway.</p>
<p>You see I have problems with UK forces undertaking &#8216;fundamental jobs&#8217; when in fact the whole basis for anyone being there is based not on hard bound intelligence, but lies and subterfuge in order to have the support of an already jittery nation who think that every Muslim or sections of them are extremists ready to kill and plunder the UK. I had the misfortune or fortune of being in Kosovo and witnessing the degree of savegery that the Serbs invested in, so as to divert the ethnic Kosovians away from seeking independence.</p>
<p>The legendary adage &#8216;one man&#8217;s freedom fighter is another man&#8217;s terrorist&#8217; runs parallel to one man&#8217;s moderate is another man&#8217;s extremist. </p>
<p>Dead men don&#8217;t tell tales, but the living make up stories. We need to think carefully and rationally before we support or decry a situation labelling one group as this and another as that. My very own real experiences tell me that it is a time when the liar is believed and the truthful mistrusted. </p>
<p>Language is a powerful tool which can sway an emotional mass, but it takes a man of courage to stand up and speak the truth in the face of public opposition. He or she then becomes the extremist in a mass of moderates.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beware the simplicty of extremists by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right, but I wouldn&#039;t use the word extremist in this case - in fact, I think it&#039;s dangerous to do so for the reasons you suggest - an extreme and complex viewpoint can be a powerful and wonderful thing. The danger lies more in fanaticism (hence the old tagline &#039;an extremist but not a fanatic) - where self certitude replaces self reflexivity, and assumptions become sedimented and unchallenged. We see this from much of mainstream and extreme thinking, where the project to &#039;banish the microfascisms which plague everyday life&#039; goes ignored. I think extremism, at its best, has the power to motivate this project and become the true democratising force. Fanaticism can&#039;t, it&#039;s the antithesis of that very spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right, but I wouldn&#8217;t use the word extremist in this case &#8211; in fact, I think it&#8217;s dangerous to do so for the reasons you suggest &#8211; an extreme and complex viewpoint can be a powerful and wonderful thing. The danger lies more in fanaticism (hence the old tagline &#8216;an extremist but not a fanatic) &#8211; where self certitude replaces self reflexivity, and assumptions become sedimented and unchallenged. We see this from much of mainstream and extreme thinking, where the project to &#8216;banish the microfascisms which plague everyday life&#8217; goes ignored. I think extremism, at its best, has the power to motivate this project and become the true democratising force. Fanaticism can&#8217;t, it&#8217;s the antithesis of that very spirit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beware the simplicty of extremists by Bishop David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bishop David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Thank you for this thoughtful analysis.  You are of course right that extremism is a very subjective description and yesterday’s extremist can become today’s statesman.  I think however that the clue is in the title of my piece.  It is when extremism deals with simplicity it is at its most dangerous.  The human condition is inherently complex and dynamic.  
Extremists who offer simplistic analysis to justify simplistic ‘answers’ seem to be more interested in achieving power than addressing fundamental wrongs.   I agree that many of the world’s great change agents have been cast as extremists at different times, but I would argue that they have actually been dealing with complexity when critiquing their age and society.  
You rightly point to Jesus who was indeed an extremist, but it is notable how, when asked to define the Kingdom he was proclaiming, he offers the complexity of nature to avoid the simplicity of definition – it is like a mustard seed etc.     
I think that people like Mandela gain stature precisely when they begin to work at the complexity of the situation they face.  I accept your point however that it is difficult to generalise about extremism, yet I still feel that it is when extremists become convinced by their simplistic analysis that they then begin to justify their own immoral acts, e.g.  anti-abortionists murdering doctors, animal rights protesters terrorise the families of vivisectionists,  fundamentalists becoming suicide bombers etc.   A simplistic, single issue approach allows ends to justify means – and morality goes out of the window.  You end up with 9/11, Guantanamo Bay or any of the abuses which are justified by claims of security or stability.  
When those who have a moral view point, which others might call extreme, work with the complexity of the situation, then I believe that they are most effective and real agents for the change they desire.   On Question Time last week I could not detect any engagement with complexity from the extreme right representative.  

Many thanks for engaging with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Thank you for this thoughtful analysis.  You are of course right that extremism is a very subjective description and yesterday’s extremist can become today’s statesman.  I think however that the clue is in the title of my piece.  It is when extremism deals with simplicity it is at its most dangerous.  The human condition is inherently complex and dynamic.<br />
Extremists who offer simplistic analysis to justify simplistic ‘answers’ seem to be more interested in achieving power than addressing fundamental wrongs.   I agree that many of the world’s great change agents have been cast as extremists at different times, but I would argue that they have actually been dealing with complexity when critiquing their age and society.<br />
You rightly point to Jesus who was indeed an extremist, but it is notable how, when asked to define the Kingdom he was proclaiming, he offers the complexity of nature to avoid the simplicity of definition – it is like a mustard seed etc.<br />
I think that people like Mandela gain stature precisely when they begin to work at the complexity of the situation they face.  I accept your point however that it is difficult to generalise about extremism, yet I still feel that it is when extremists become convinced by their simplistic analysis that they then begin to justify their own immoral acts, e.g.  anti-abortionists murdering doctors, animal rights protesters terrorise the families of vivisectionists,  fundamentalists becoming suicide bombers etc.   A simplistic, single issue approach allows ends to justify means – and morality goes out of the window.  You end up with 9/11, Guantanamo Bay or any of the abuses which are justified by claims of security or stability.<br />
When those who have a moral view point, which others might call extreme, work with the complexity of the situation, then I believe that they are most effective and real agents for the change they desire.   On Question Time last week I could not detect any engagement with complexity from the extreme right representative.  </p>
<p>Many thanks for engaging with this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beware the simplicty of extremists by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst there is much that is true here, we should be careful when we say that extreme ideas have never led to flourishing - a perspective which denies the potential for a genealogical understanding of how we situate &#039;the extreme&#039;. In their time the abolition of slavery, the emancipation of black people and women, the permission of homosexual behaviour, and other principles now considered mainstream and moderate, were &#039;extreme&#039;. Jesus, in his context, was too extreme for the powers of his day. Similarly, practices which are now harmful, which were understood as extreme at inception, but which are now &#039;mainstream&#039; (and which one is &#039;extreme&#039; to oppose, such as capitalism), have often (always?) prevented human flourishing (at least in advanced forms). 

The problem seems to be that those ideas which are cast as extreme or not are in part designated as such by the interests of the powerful. In times past, this depended on the subjugation of women and blacks, and so interest in their emancipation was &#039;extreme&#039;. We can debate how this manifests itself now, but the important part is that, in denying the place of extreme ideas to ever lead to flourishing (and it is the absolutism you propose with which I take issue), we fall into the trap of the powerful and affirm &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; society, not a more positive one that we seek to create. 

In fact, we&#039;re seeing this now, where one is labelled a &#039;domestic extremist&#039; even if you have never been convicted of a crime, simply for attending anti-war and climate change demos. It has always been the tool of the powerful to label enemies as extremists. Those we look back on as heroes, moderate heroes like Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela, John Hume, they were all &#039;extremists&#039; in their day. 

My point is that suspicion of extremism shouldn&#039;t lead to a blanked, simple denunciation. When we judge heroes of the past from our own perspective, who we no longer see as &#039;extreme&#039;, we miss the social context which surrounded the change they fought for, and we strengthen the chains holding us in so many insecurities in our own terrible world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst there is much that is true here, we should be careful when we say that extreme ideas have never led to flourishing &#8211; a perspective which denies the potential for a genealogical understanding of how we situate &#8216;the extreme&#8217;. In their time the abolition of slavery, the emancipation of black people and women, the permission of homosexual behaviour, and other principles now considered mainstream and moderate, were &#8216;extreme&#8217;. Jesus, in his context, was too extreme for the powers of his day. Similarly, practices which are now harmful, which were understood as extreme at inception, but which are now &#8216;mainstream&#8217; (and which one is &#8216;extreme&#8217; to oppose, such as capitalism), have often (always?) prevented human flourishing (at least in advanced forms). </p>
<p>The problem seems to be that those ideas which are cast as extreme or not are in part designated as such by the interests of the powerful. In times past, this depended on the subjugation of women and blacks, and so interest in their emancipation was &#8216;extreme&#8217;. We can debate how this manifests itself now, but the important part is that, in denying the place of extreme ideas to ever lead to flourishing (and it is the absolutism you propose with which I take issue), we fall into the trap of the powerful and affirm <i>their</i> society, not a more positive one that we seek to create. </p>
<p>In fact, we&#8217;re seeing this now, where one is labelled a &#8216;domestic extremist&#8217; even if you have never been convicted of a crime, simply for attending anti-war and climate change demos. It has always been the tool of the powerful to label enemies as extremists. Those we look back on as heroes, moderate heroes like Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela, John Hume, they were all &#8216;extremists&#8217; in their day. </p>
<p>My point is that suspicion of extremism shouldn&#8217;t lead to a blanked, simple denunciation. When we judge heroes of the past from our own perspective, who we no longer see as &#8216;extreme&#8217;, we miss the social context which surrounded the change they fought for, and we strengthen the chains holding us in so many insecurities in our own terrible world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A recipe for inner peace by john cort</title>
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		<dc:creator>john cort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only true remedy for inner peace is to contact the heaven within. It is then one sees this world for what it is and the need to be in the world not of it. You may find the information on my web site helpful in your search for the truth which will set you free. Now there are many seekers but few are they who find. Go to your room and be still and ask

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only true remedy for inner peace is to contact the heaven within. It is then one sees this world for what it is and the need to be in the world not of it. You may find the information on my web site helpful in your search for the truth which will set you free. Now there are many seekers but few are they who find. Go to your room and be still and ask</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>Comment on Church Schools &#8211; why are we involved? by sandrar</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post... nice! I love your blog.  :) Cheers! Sandra. R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post&#8230; nice! I love your blog.  :) Cheers! Sandra. R.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Friday &#8211; what&#8217;s good about it? by thomasjohnferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomasjohnferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Friday, is a term that, can only be understood, in the light of the knowledge of the scope of it&#039;s end, or purpose. This is disclosed after three days, in the reseurrectiion; which is the promise of hope to all in Christ. Without this &#039;death&#039;, victory over death, the very emphasis of evil, could not have been manifested. It is also the act that precludes Our Lords evidential manifestation as God incarnate, through His rising from the dead. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Friday, is a term that, can only be understood, in the light of the knowledge of the scope of it&#8217;s end, or purpose. This is disclosed after three days, in the reseurrectiion; which is the promise of hope to all in Christ. Without this &#8216;death&#8217;, victory over death, the very emphasis of evil, could not have been manifested. It is also the act that precludes Our Lords evidential manifestation as God incarnate, through His rising from the dead. .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ordinands &#8211; quality not quantity by David Redrobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Redrobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you see George Herbert on the Road - Kill Him&quot; is a very good book should be necessary reading for all local Church communities that are getting serious - they haven&#039;t always been! - about Ministry and Mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you see George Herbert on the Road &#8211; Kill Him&#8221; is a very good book should be necessary reading for all local Church communities that are getting serious &#8211; they haven&#8217;t always been! &#8211; about Ministry and Mission.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ordinands &#8211; quality not quantity by 3 Minute Theologian &#187; Kill George gets episcopal recognition</title>
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		<dc:creator>3 Minute Theologian &#187; Kill George gets episcopal recognition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bishop of Grimsby, David , mentioned it in his post-ordinations blog post: As the cost of employing priests increasingly depends on the generosity of congregations, we need [...]</description>
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